Thursday, June 4, 2026

Whitney Webb Missinfo

Editor's notes: Not an example of elite dissinformation, but bad due dilligence at best and inteintional misconduct to forge a claim at worst on the part of Whittney Webb. It sucks because her work undermines the record on J. Edgar Hoovers crossdressing, somethign which has already been peiced together, with a new unsubstanciated narrative about Roy Cohn running a pedo ringJust a warning so people don't fall for it.

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Perhaps the most complete account of the Cohn Rosensteel blackmail ring appears in the first volume of Whitney Webb's book, One Nation Under Blackmail, in which she presents witness accounts from three different people as evidence of the blackmail ring's existence. New York attorney John Clots, XNYPD detective James Rothstein, and Lewis Rosensteel's ex-wife, Susan Rosensteel Kaufman. John Clattz, the New York lawyer, allegedly became privy to information about the blackmail ring when he was retained by a former client and lover of Roy Cohn's in the early 1980s to defend him against harassment charges initiated by Cohn. As part of his defense strategy, Clots hired private investigators to look into Cohn's personal life. And according to Clots, as quoted in the book Bobby and Jay Edgar by Burton Hirs, his investigators discovered gay orgies hosted by Cohn where powerful men could mingle with young prostitutes at a hotel in New York. Roy Cohen was providing protection. There were a bunch of pedophiles involved. That's where Cohen got his power from. Blackmail. This quotation appears in both the Hirsch and web books, but unfortunately neither of them tell us what exactly Clot saw that led him to this conclusion. To be fair, in the actual quotes we have from Clots, he did not explicitly claim to have seen any blackmail material himself. According to Hirs, it was Clots's investigators who unearthed evidence in the course of their criminal defense work that implicated Cohn in the blackmail operation. So, Clots may be a reputable lawyer and reliable as witnesses go, but we still don't know what it was that he saw exactly. And without more details, it appears he was still at best two degrees removed from seeing any actual proof of blackmail. The next witness cited by Web is the retired NYPD detective James Rothstein. According to Web's book, One Nation Under Blackmail, further confirmation of Rosensteels and Cohn's activities in the Blue Suite, later determined to be suite 233 comes from statements made by Cohn himself to former NYPD detective and ex- head of the department's human trafficking and vice related crimes division, James Rothstein. Rothstein later told John Damp, a former Nebraska state senator who investigated the Franklin scandal of the 1980s that Cohn had admitted to being part of a sexual blackmail operation targeting politicians with minors. During a sit-down interview with the former detective, Rothstein told the following about Cohn. Cohn's job was to run the little boys. Say you had an admiral, a general, a congressman who did not want to go along with the program. Cohn's job was to set them up, then they would go along. Cohn told me that himself. Rothstein later told Paul David Collins, a former journalist turned researcher, that Cohn had also identified the sexual blackmail operation as being part of the anti-communist crusade of the time. Rothstein confirmed his statements to both Damp and Collins in an interview with Whitney Webb that was conducted in early 2020. He additionally told Webb that Cohn had told him that his role in this ring had originally come about because he himself had been entrapped and blackmailed, leading Roststein to feel some sort of sympathy for Cohn. Now you may have noticed that even though web mentions John Deamp and Paul David Collins in this section, every actual claim of fact being made is ultimately sourced from one person, James Rothstein. She quotes John Deamp quoting Roststein. She quotes Paul David Collins quoting Rothststein and then she paraphrases stuff Rothstein told her himself in an interview she conducted with him. There's no indication that Roststein presented any physical or documentary evidence to any of these authors. So ultimately, we're essentially taking Roststein at his word here that he's remembering things accurately and reporting them truthfully. But there are a few reasons for skepticism. According to Roststein, Roy Cohn, the politically sophisticated lawyer and criminal who by all accounts was advising CIA executives, future presidents, and mobsters about legal matters while regularly getting away with all kinds of criminal activity for decades. spontaneously broke down within hours of meeting Roststein and for some unknown reason told him, "Oh yeah, by the way, I've been trafficking children to be abused by politicians and generals because I'm illegally blackmailing them to fight communism, but also I'm only doing it because I myself was blackmailed in a similar way." Because, oh yeah, I almost forgot to tell you, I'm actually gay and also a pedophile officer. In the nearly 50 years since Roy Cohn's death, not a single other person who knew Cohn has publicly claimed that he ever confessed anything like this to him. Not his family, not his friends, lovers, co-workers, acquaintances, no one. Is it really plausible that Roy Cohn, the savvy, slickalking lawyer, would confess to blackmail and child trafficking only once, for the first time to a man he just met who happened to be an NYPD cop of all things? Does that sound realistic? To answer that, it might be helpful to know who is this James Roststein character exactly. Well, it does appear to be true that he was an NYPD detective who worked on the Vice Squad for a period and was at least marginally involved in some high-profile cases. Luckily for us, he's recorded hours of interviews where he discusses his entire career, some of which is actually corroborated by contemporaneous news articles. For example, in 1977, Rothstein arrested the Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis for trying to break into a woman's apartment. The fact that the arrest happened is beyond dispute. It was reported at the time by local media that Roststein made the arrest and he testified in Sturgis' case, which was ultimately dropped. But decades later, Roststein started telling interviewers that once he was arrested, Sturgis began spontaneously confessing his secret involvement in the JFK assassination. According to Roststein, Sturgis admitted that he was actually in D Plaza the day John F. Kennedy was assassinated and in fact, he was the long hypothesized second shooter firing at Kennedy from the grassy null. To put this in context, Sturgis was indeed a CIA connected mercenary involved in gununning and guerrilla warfare in Cuba. And after his arrest in the Watergate case in 1972, he was publicly accused of involvement in the JFK assassination from multiple angles, with some suspecting that he was one of the three tramps in the famous photo from Dy Plaza, and others believing he had met with Lee Harvey Oswald before the assassination. But Roststein didn't make his accusations publicly until decades after the arrest when the rumor of Frank Sturgis being in Daily Plaza was already an entrenched part of JFK lore. Roststein also claims that he was the investigator who uncovered the information that exposed the Franklin Credit Union scandal. Then while working on the Franklin scandal, he began investigating the Johnny Gosh disappearance and a group of CIA agents joined him to work on the Gosh case. But according to Rothstein, the CIA intentionally derailed the investigation by appointing a pedophile as their lead agent on the case who was soon arrested for abusing children, causing the case to implode. Just to be clear, the CIA does not investigate missing person cases, much less on American soil, and there's no evidence they've ever been involved in the Johnny Gosh case in any capacity. Roststein has also said that William Colby, the retired CIA director who died on his boat on a river near his house, was actually murdered because he was about to reveal the truth about the blackmail ring that had trafficked Johnny Gosh. Roststein further claims that while working as a detective for the NYPD, Pope John Paul I personally asked him to investigate corruption in the Vatican bank. And Roststein soon discovered that the Pope was secretly gay and being blackmailed. And when the pope died just a few days later, Roststein learned that he had not suffered a heart attack as was widely reported, but rather he had actually been poisoned by Joseph Ratzinger, the cardinal who would go on to become pope years later. Just like his story about Roy Cohn's blackmail ring, the only evidence for any of these claims is Roststein's testimony. And even then, he never mentioned any of the stuff publicly until decades after the events in question. There's no evidence whatsoever that Roststein was involved in investigating the Franklin scandal or the Vatican bank besides his word. No news articles from the time, no government documents, no case notes that anyone's ever seen, nothing. In fact, John Deamp even interviewed Roststein for his book on the Franklin scandal called the Franklin coverup. But Roststein is only quoted in the book anonymously in relation to Roy Cohn's alleged blackmail ring. If Roststein was really so involved in the discovery of the Franklin scandal, why would John Deamp, the primary authority on the Franklin case, neglect to mention this in a book in which he interviews Roststein? If he was so central to the Franklin investigation, wouldn't Damp have at least named Roststein in the book instead of just anonymously quoting him one time about a different case? To be clear, I think Whitney Webb's choice to present Roststein's accusations about Roy Cohn without the context of Rostin's larger biographical claims is irresponsible, bordering on dishonest. The likelihood that Roy Cohn randomly confessed to Detective Roststein about running a child trafficking operation the day he met him is already low. the probability that Roststein was getting calls from the blackmailed gay pope while solving the JFK assassination, uncovering the Franklin scandal, sussing out pedo CIA agents, and unraveling Roy Cohn's blackmail ring seems astronomical. And unfortunately, this wasn't the only cause for skepticism. In Whitney Webb's footnotes in the section of One Nation Under Blackmail discussing Meer Lansky's possible blackmail of Hoover, we find the passage's widow also later claimed that her husband had acquired quote hard proof of Hoover's homosexuality and used it to neutralize the FBI as a threat to his own operations. The citation web provides for this quote leads us to source number 59, a book called Conspiracy in Camelot, the complete history of the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy by a guy named Jerome Croth. The passage websites can be found on page 233. But if we go to page 233 and look at the section containing the quote, we find citation number 59 from Jerome Croth telling us he got that quote from the Anthony Summers book, Official and Confidential. Now, Whitney Webb cites Official and Confidential repeatedly throughout her book, including multiple times in that very same chapter. That's weird. Why would Whitney Webb quote from this Jerome Croth guy's book if Jerome Croth was saying that he had sourced the quote from another book that's already on Web's list of citations? Well, according to Cross, he got that quote from page 213 of official and confidential. Let's see what that page says. Oh, I guess that's why she didn't cite the original. Cross had attributed this statement to Myer Lansky's wife and put it in quotation marks as if it was a direct quote of something she actually said. But the actual passage he was citing isn't in quotation marks and doesn't even mention Myer Lansky's wife at all. Instead of Lansky's wife, Summers attributes the claim to quote other information, not a specific person. Web cites Official and Confidential dozens of times in her book. She must have been aware of this discrepancy. So why print the book like this? Why quote from Jerome Croth quoting Anthony Summers when you can just quote Anthony Summers himself? Why make it look like the quote came from Myer Lansky's wife when she must have known that it wasn't a direct quote and Lansky's wife wasn't even the source of that information? Did she think it would sound more authoritative if the quote was attributed to Lansky's wife? Whatever the case, it's hard to imagine how this could have happened accidentally. The very next sentence of Web's book says, "The photos showed Hoover engaged in sexual activity, specifically oralosex, with his longtime friend, FBI director Clyde Tolson, and directs us to end note number 60 as the source for this information. But if we go to the UPI story that number 60 links to, it doesn't say that Hoover had specifically oral sex with Clyde Toulson. And in fact, oral sex isn't mentioned in the article at all." Whitney Webb also wrote a series of articles for the website Unlimited Hangout, summarizing and elaborating on her research from One Nation Under Blackmail. In her article, Government by Blackmail, Jeffrey Epstein, Trump's mentor, and the dark secrets of the Reagan era. Web posits a connection between Roy Cohn's alleged blackmail ring, the public relations man Robert Keith Gray, and the CIA, writing, quote, "It was later revealed by former Nebraska State Senator turned investigator John Deamp that Robert Keith Gray was a specialist in homosexual blackmail operations for the CIA and was reported to have collaborated with Roy Cohn in those activities. But what is the evidence for these assertions? The only citation Web provides is a hyperlink that leads to a PDF copy of John Damp's book, The Franklin Coverup. Web doesn't specify a page number, but if we search Damp's book for Gray and Cohn's names in relation to blackmail, and cross reference the claim with a similar passage from Web's book, One Nation Under Blackmail, it turns up only one possible candidate from pages 178 and 179. Quote, Gray's own sexual proclivities were the subject of an article in the July August 1982 issue of the Deep Backgrounder titled Reagan inaugural co-chairman powerful closet homosexual. The Deep Backgrounder tabloid featured exposees of homosexual networks in Washington DC. Its contributing editor was a former senior CIA official named Victor Marchetti. During the Watergate era, Robert Keith Gray served on the board of Consultants International, founded by CIA agent Edwin Wilson. When Wilson and fellow agent Frank Turple got caught running guns abroad, Gray tried to deny his connection with Wilson. Yet, 10 years before, according to Peter Moss' book, Manhunt, in a top secret Navy review of Wilson's intelligence career, Gray described Wilson as a person of unqualified trust, with whom he'd been in contact professionally two or three times a month since 1963. Author Jim Hogan in Secret Agenda reported another aspect of Wilson's work for the CIA. According to fugitive ex CIA officer Frank Turple, CIA directed sexual blackmail operations were intensive in Washington at about the time of the Watergate scandal. One of those operations, Turple claims, was run by his former partner, Ed Wilson. In a letter to the author, Turple explained that historically one of Wilson's agency jobs was to subvert members of both houses of Congress by any means necessary. Certain people could be easily coerced by living out their sexual fantasies in the flesh. A remembrance of these occasions was permanently recorded via selected cameras. Ray's associate, Wilson, was apparently continuing the work of a reported collaborator of Gray from the 1950s. McCarthy committee council, Roy Cohn, now dead of AIDS. According to the former head of the Vice Squad for one of America's biggest cities, Cohn's job was to run the little boys. Say you had an admiral, a general, a congressman who didn't want to go along with the program. Cohn's job was to set them up, then they would go along. Cohn told me that himself. Now, remember the claim that supposedly being proven was quote, "Robert Keith Gray was a specialist in homosexual blackmail operations for the CIA and was reported to have collaborated with Roy Cohn in those activities." But what evidence do we actually have here? Well, if that last quote sounds familiar, it's because it's the exact same quote we covered earlier from XNYPD detective James Rothstein. So ultimately, our evidence is that Robert Keith Gray worked with a guy who was accused of involvement in sexual blackmail by the gunrunning fugitive exia agent Frank Turple, which hardly makes Gray himself an expert in blackmail. Plus a single quote from James Roststein, who claims to have been involved in every conspiracy from the JFK assassination to the Franklin scandal to the Vatican bank and an article alleging that Robert Keith Gray was a closeted homosexual from some tabloid called the Deep Backgrounder. And just what was this Deep Backgrounder tabloid anyway? Well, according to a contemporaneous article from Harper's magazine, Deep Backgrounder was a newsletter dedicated to outing supposedly closeted politicians published by the Holocaust denying white nationalist group, The Liberty Lobby. In fact, the very same issue of the Deep Backgrounder that accused Robert Keith Gray of being gay also carried a story about a Senate page from Arkansas named Leroy Williams Jr. who said he'd had gay sex with three congressmen and procured gay prostitutes for others. But Williams later admitted he'd made up the whole story because he was being investigated for stealing another page's car. Is this evidence sufficient to establish the claim that Robert Keith Gray not only specialized in homosexual blackmail, but that he did so for the CIA in collaboration with Roy Cohn? Well, ultimately that's up to you. But I have to admit, I'm skeptical. And I hate to have to say it, but this became somewhat of a pattern when delving into Whitney Webb's work. I'd come across a claim that I wanted more information about. check the footnotes and then discover that the original document she cited was vague or presented misleadingly or missing context that totally changed the meaning of the text she had cited.

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By: Psych History Show

Raped by: Otto Heckel

JFK (Blackmail)

JFK - In early February of 1960, during his campaign for the presidency, then Senator John F. Kennedy visited the Sans Hotel in Las Vegas for a meeting with Frank Sinatra. According to investigative reporter Seymour Hersh's book, The Dark Side of Camelot. At the hotel, Sinatra introduced Kennedy to a 20-some woman named Judith Campbell, and the two began an affair that lasted from 1960 until well into Kennedy's presidency, during which they stayed in frequent contact, but met up only sporadically. Years after Kennedy's death, during the Church Committee hearings about the CIA's abuses of power, a congressional report on the CIA assassination program mentioned that quote, "A close friend of President Kennedy had frequent contact with the president from the end of 1960 through mid 1962." FBI reports and testimony indicate that the president's friend was also a close friend of John Rouselli and Sam Gianana and saw them often during the same period. The press soon identified the president's friend mentioned in this report as Judith Campbell, also known as Judith Exner. And it turned out that during Campbell's affair with Kennedy, she had simultaneously been dating the Chicago based mobster Sam Gianana. At some point, the FBI had bugged Cample's phone ostensibly to get information on Gianana, and in the process, they ended up recording her calls with Kennedy as well, the contents of which quickly made their way to the head of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover. This information showed up in a congressional report on CIA assassinations because at that time in the early60s the CIA had been actively cooperating with elements of the American mafia and plans to assassinate Cuban leader Fidel Castro and Gian Kana was one of the central figures in this conspiracy. At the same time JFK's brother, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy was pursuing Gian Kana for prosecution on organized crime charges. The FBI director Jed Garhoover would broach this topic with JFK in a way that Kennedy interpreted as an implicit threat of blackmail. According to Judith Campbell, as reported in Anthony Summers's book, Official and Confidential, Jack Kennedy called me that afternoon after he spoke to Hoover. He told me to go to my mother's house and call him from there. When I did, he said the phone in my apartment wasn't safe. He was furious. You could feel his anger. He said that at their meeting, Hoover had more or less tried to intimidate him with the information he had. He'd made it clear that he knew about my relationship with Jack, even that I'd been to the White House, that I was a friend of Sam and Johnny Rosselli, and that Jack knew Sam, too. Jack knew exactly what Hoover was doing. Knowing that Jack wanted him out of office, he was in a way ensuring his job by letting Jack know he had this leverage over him. A similar allegation showed up in the 1999 book, Bound by Honor, the autobiography of the mobster and scion of the Banano crime family, Bill Banano. According to Banano, his organization had received word from Lewis Rosensteel, the millionaire liquor tycoon, that Hoover had successfully blackmailed Kennedy into reappointing him FBI director. According to Banana's book, Hoover had blackmailed JFK into reappointing him as director of the FBI after Bobby Kennedy had threatened to remove him when he reached mandatory retirement age. Rosensteel confirmed what later was a rumor in the tabloids that Hoover went to Kennedy and told him he would expose his affair with Judith Campbell if he was not allowed to continue in office. Rosensteel said that Hoover presented Kennedy with wiretaps and other evidence that he was prepared to make public if he didn't go along. Kennedy went along. Now, it's worth noting that Bill Vano was a repeat felon with convictions for mail fraud, extortion, conspiracy, and defrauding senior citizens, and that his autobiography, Bound by Honor, was savaged by critics upon its release for claiming, among other things, that the shot that killed JFK, had actually been fired by mobster Johnny Roselli while hiding in a storm drain beneath Di Plaza. So his accounting of events probably shouldn't be taken at face value. Nevertheless, it is true that at that time Hoover was subject to laws that made his retirement by age 65 mandatory, and Hoover was born on January 1, 1895, making him 66 years old when JFK assumed the presidency. Judith Campbell, on the other hand, was one of the few people on earth who JFK might have actually told about Hoover's blackmail, lending a much higher degree of credibility to her testimony. Kennedy ended up seeking an age limit exemption to reappoint Hoover as FBI director. despite clear indications that he and his brother, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, had intended to replace him. So, whatever pressure Hoover exerted on JFK appears to have worked. But this wasn't the only extortionate demand that seems to have resulted from Kennedy's affair with Judith Campbell. By August of 1962, the FBI had been surveilling Campbell's apartment for some time, watching her 24 hours a day, supposedly to gather information on her other boyfriend, the mobster Sam Gianana. According to ABC News, those FBI agents witnessed an incident that may very well have been related to corporate espionage for blackmail material on JFK over a military contract worth $6.5 billion, that's almost $70 billion in 2025 money.

News segmant: ''So, did President Kennedy's involvement with Judith Campbell make him vulnerable to blackmail? This FBI document discovered during our reporting raises that question. Two FBI agents tell of watching a break-in at Campbell's Los Angeles apartment while she was out. The agents did nothing to stop it, but they did trace the intruder's car. It belonged to a man named IB Hail. Hail was the former FBI agent who was now a security chief for one of the nation's largest defense contractors, the General Dynamics Corporation. And 3 months after this break-in, General Dynamics was awarded the largest defense contract in American history to build the TFX fighter. But General Dynamics had not been the Pentagon's choice. The decision by the Kennedy administration to give General Dynamics the contract was so unexpected and so controversial that the Senate launched an investigation. But Jed Garoover never told the Senate committee about the break-in at Judith Campbell's and the possibility that information obtained in her apartment was used to blackmail the president. The committee was still conducting hearings when the president went to Dallas in November 1963.''

It's notable that this break-in was apparently masterminded by a former FBI agent. Where would this guy, supposedly outside of the FBI and working security for a military contractor, have received enough inside information to identify JFK's secret mistress's apartment and know about the potential blackmail material contained within it? Was Hoover slipping this information to contacts outside of the government? Or had Kennedy's affair become an open secret in the intelligence world? Predictably, this wouldn't be the last time that JFK's womanizing left him open to blackmail. In the summer of 1960, Kennedy was heading to the Democratic National Convention as the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee and was expected to announce his selection for vice president at the convention. It was widely understood by JFK's aids and campaign employees that Kennedy intended to offer the vice president position to Steuart Simington, a Democratic senator from Missouri. But on the eve of the convention, something changed. According to Kennedy's aid, Hyman Rascin, as reported in the dark side of Camelot, Stuart Simington was always at the top of Kennedy's short list of running mates. That list was precipitously and totally discarded when Kennedy met early on the morning after his nomination with Lyndon Johnson and Sam Rabburn, the speaker of the house. At the meeting, Kennedy was made an offer he could not refuse. In other words, Raskin assumed Johnson blackmailed his way into the vice presidency. Rascin couldn't learn which aspect of the Kennedy history was cited by Johnson and Rabburn in making their threats, but he had no doubt that their morning meeting with Johnson disrupted months of careful planning and put the Kennedy campaign staff in an uproar. Johnson was not being given the slightest bit of consideration for the vice presidency by any of the Kennedys. The front runner in all previous discussions inside the campaign, Raskin knew, was the attractive Simington, who had served as Secretary of the Air Force during the Truman presidency. On the stuff I saw, Raskin told Hersh in an interview, "It was always Simington who was going to be the vice president." The Kennedy family had approved Simington, but after a mysterious private meeting with the then Senate Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson and Speaker of the House Sam Rurn on the eve of the Democratic convention, to the amazement of his staff, Kennedy reversed course and decided to nominate Lyndon Johnson as vice president. It was obvious that something extraordinary had taken place, Raskin wrote. During my entire association with the Kennedys, I could not recall any situation where a decision of major significance had been reversed in such a short period of time. Bob Kennedy had always been involved in every major decision. Why not this one? I pondered. Kennedy said to Raskin, "You know, we had never considered Lyndon, but I was left with no choice. He and Sam Rurn made it damn clear to me that Lyndon had to be the candidate. Those bastards were trying to frame me. They threatened me with problems, and I don't need more problems. I'm going to have enough problems with Nixon." This same narrative was reiterated even more forcefully by Evelyn Lincoln, Kennedy's personal secretary during this period in interviews for the book Official and Confidential. Lincoln was convinced that Jay Edgar Hoover and Lyndon Johnson had conspired. Hoover was known to be personally close to Johnson. They lived on the same street in Northwest Washington and had for years provided Johnson with information about Kennedy's private life. Lincoln was quoted as saying that Johnson had been using all the information Hoover could find on Kennedy during the campaign, even before the convention, and Hoover was in on the pressure on Kennedy at the convention about womanizing and things in Jon's father, Joe Kennedy's background, and anything he could dig up. Johnson was using that as clout. Kennedy was angry because they had boxed him into a corner, he was absolutely boxed in. In a later interview for the dark side of Camelot, Lincoln told of finding JFK and his brother Robert deep in conversation early on the morning before announcing his vice presidential nomination. I went in and listened. They were very upset and trying to figure out how they could get around it, but they didn't know how they could do it. She didn't hear any mention then of a specific threat from Johnson, Lincoln said. But she added, Jack knew that Hoover and LBJ would just fill the air with womanizing. Now, Lyndon Johnson was notoriously corrupt during his political career. He first won his Senate seat through blatant election fraud and later became one of the most powerful senators in US history, partially through bribery of his fellow legislators. As detailed in Robert Ko's biography, The Years of Lyndon Johnson, LBJ was not above buying votes, and developed an entire patronage infrastructure in Washington to funnel money from Texas oilmen to other politicians in exchange for political favors. So, the prospect of Johnson using blackmail against JFK was totally within the realm of possibility. Whatever tactic Lyndon Johnson had used to pressure Kennedy, it was powerful enough to force a change of heart on perhaps the most consequential decision of his entire campaign a mere 24 hours before that decision was to be made. Kennedy would go on to defeat Richard Nixon in the 1960 presidential election and Johnson would assume the vice presidency, a role that lasted for just 2 years until Johnson himself became president when JFK was assassinated.

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By: Psych History Show

Raped by: Otto Heckel

Ted Bundy (MK Ultra byproduct?)

Ted Bundy went to Stanford University, where the MK Ultra experiments were performed. In his own words, Ted Bundy says that his time in San Francisco in the summer of 67 is blank and he can't remember what the hell he did. MK Ultra experiments took place in universities, medical facilities, and mental facilities, all of which Bundy was present at. When MK Ultra was being covered up by Richard Helms, operatives were sent to collect and destroy files relating to the program. This is interesting because, while Bundy was at Harborview Medical Hospital, Bundy had stolen the files of Jim McDermott, a Democratic opponent to Dan Evans, and a former Navy man who worked as a psychiatrist during the Vietnam War.

John Muller was Ted Bundy's room mate. When police investigators tracked him down he was in Australia on a base which was with Operation Deep Freeze.

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By: Semmiot

Raped by: Otto Heckel

Whitey Bulger (MK Ultra byproduct)

After Bulger's trial, one of the jurors who'd convicted him wrote Bulger a letter and they began a lengthy correspondence. In one of his letters, Bulger wrote that back in the late 50s during his incarceration at the federal penitentiary in Atlanta, he'd signed up for a medical experiment on whooping cough in exchange for a good time reduction in his sentence. But then, while participating in the study, he was asked if he wanted to volunteer for a separate research project seeking a cure for schizophrenia. Bulger agreed and for the next 15 months, rather than receiving an antiscychotic medication, Bulger was injected with high doses of LSD three times a week, every week, and then subjected to repetitious questioning, including two questions which stuck with Bulger all his life. Have you ever killed anyone? Would you ever kill anyone? It turned out that the study being run by the noted pharmarmacologist and researcher from Emory University, Dr. Carl Feifer was actually being sponsored by the CIA as part of the MK Ultra program. On August 6th, 1957, Whitey signed a contract affirming that he understood the hallucinatory effect of lysurgic acid dialomide LSD25 and that the potential benefits to humanity and the risks to my health of participation in the study have been explained to me, and I hereby freely assume all such risks. 6 days later, he reported to the psychiatric ward, a large antiseptic room with bars and a locked steel door in the basement of the prison hospital where he was injected with his first dose of LSD. It was a routine that would continue once a week for the next 15 months. Whitey got $3 for every injection and 54 days off his sentence in total, but it was a devastating compact. The hallucinatory effects of the LSD would last a lifetime. and Whitey would bitterly recall years later how he felt tricked into taking something that nearly drove him mad and would forever rob him of a good night's sleep. The hallucinations began within minutes of the injection. Suddenly, blood seemed to explode from the walls and drown him. The bars on the windows morphed into writhing black snakes. He and the other test subjects became raving, totally out of control mental and psychological animals. Whitey felt depressed and suicidal after the sessions. He said two inmates in the project became psychotic and were shipped off to the federal prison hospital in Missouri. Richard Sunday, an inmate who worked in the prison hospital with Whitey and became one of his closest friends, witnessed the effects of the experimental injections and was horrified. Whitey, he said, screamed wildly and babbled incoherently. His face was contorted. He was one crazy individual when he was on those drugs. Sunday said he was a lunatic. A local news station obtained an undated journal Bulger had apparently written in the years after his first term in federal prison in which he described horrible LSD experiences followed by thoughts of and deep depression and wrote that he developed a quote morbid fear of LSD feeling that if he had any more of it, it would push him over the edge. We were injected with massive doses of LSD25. In minutes, the drug would take over and about eight or nine men, Dr. Feifer and several men in suits who weren't doctors, would give us tests to see how we reacted. Eight convicts in a panic and paranoid state, total loss of appetite, hallucinating. The room would change shape. Hours of paranoia and feeling violent, horrible periods of living nightmares and even blood coming out of the walls. Guys turning to skeletons in front of me. I saw a camera change under the head of a dog. I felt like I was going insane. The men in suits would be in a room and hook me up to machines asking questions like, "Did you ever kill anyone? Would you kill someone?" Bulger soon found that he could sleep for only a few hours before inevitably waking up in a cold sweat. He felt like his head changes shape and the only antidote is to look in the mirror to make sure his head was still the same. According to Bulger, two of the other men in the experiment, quote, "When psychotic, they had all the symptoms of schizophrenia. They had to be pried loose from under their beds, growling, barking, and frothing at the mouth. They put them in a strip cell down the hall. I never saw or heard of them again. Declassified CIA documents would later confirm that at least two prisoners were transferred out of the program because of mental problems. For decades afterward, he refused to talk about his experience. Bulger feared that if I mentioned hearing voices or the seeming movement of calendar and cell, etc., that I'd be committed for life and never see the outside again. In his journal, Bulger wrote of having nightmares on a nightly basis and suspected the LSD had been responsible for years of allergies and stomach pains. He called the doctor administering the study a modern-day Mangala. I was in prison for committing a crime and feel they committed a worse crime on me. Years later, Bulger was still so disturbed by the experience that he threatened to kill anyone caught selling LSD in South Boston and at one point planned to hunt down and murder Dr. Feifer. 

Cover Up - Incredibly, during his trial, Bulger's defense lawyers managed to not only avoid implicating any government officials besides John Connelly in any criminal activity, but they also failed to mention LSD, MK Ultra, or the CIA at all. Questioned after Bulger's conviction, famed Boston defense attorney Anthony Cardinau said, "If I defended him, I would have got him off. It's a simple defense, two parts. a nearly two years of LSD testing fried his brain. You bring in expert witnesses, psychiatrists, and others who detail the history of how people who took part in this secret CIA program committed suicide or became institutionalized. I'd have Bulger sit there doodling and drooling. He's a victim driven insane by his own government. Part B. He returns from prison in the early 1970s and the FBI gets a hold of him. They recruit him as an informant and enable him to the point where he delusionally believes there's no difference between right and wrong, that he can kill. He believes that it's okay to do that because the FBI enabled him to the point he insanely believes he had the right to kill people. I'm telling you, I could have had a jury feeling sorry for Whitey Bulger. He's a victim, ladies and gentlemen, and they, the government, are the reason he did all this. He truly believed he could get away with it. He didn't know the difference between right and wrong. They put all this in his head. They damaged and manipulated him to the point they turned him into a psychotic killer.''

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By: Psych History Show

Raped by: Otto Heckel

Ted Kaczynski (MK Ultra byproduct)

In the year 2000, Kaczynski's fellow Harvard alum, the author and philosophy PhD Austin Chase, published an article in The Atlantic titled Harvard and the Making of the Uni Bomber, which he would later expand into the book Harvard and the Uni Bomber: The Education of an American Terrorist. Chase had begun corresponding with Kaczynski in July of 1998 and discovered from Kaczynski himself that he'd participated in a three-year long psychological study as an undergrad at Harvard. Kaczynski told him that during his trial, the Henry A. Murray Research Center at Harvard had released some of the study's raw data about him to his attorneys, but had refused to share the Murray team's analysis of that data. Kaczynski hinted darkly that the Murray Center seemed to feel it had something to hide, and one of his defense investigators reported that the center had told the psychologists who participated in the study not to talk with Kaczynski's defense team. It turned out that in the fall of 1959, Kaczynski had been selected as one of 22 subjects out of 70 volunteers to participate in a study being run by a team of psychologists headed by Henry A. Murray of the Department of Social Relations at Harvard, a former Office of Strategic Services employee who had gone on to found the discipline of humanistic psychology, which sought to use the methods of psychology to expand human potential. Each applicant was given a battery of psychological tests to screen them for certain attributes prior to participation in the study, which intended to measure how people react under stress and how they respond to interrogation. The researchers were looking for a few average individuals as well as those representing extremes, some who were highly alienated and others who were exceptionally welladjusted. As the lead researcher, Henry Murray put it, they sought to enlist students who were quote at the extreme of a vowed alienation, lack of identity, pessimism, etc., as well as those at the opposite extreme, reporting nearly optimal physical, mental, and social well-being. Murray's preliminary screening identified Kaczynski as the most alienated of the participants. To anonymize the study, each subject was given a code name chosen by Murray which described some relevant aspect of the participants personality. Ironically, or perhaps as a dark joke, Kaczynski's code name was lawful. According to Chase's book, Harvard and the Uni Bomber, the centerpiece of the experiments was something Murray called alternatively stressful disputation, diatic interaction, stressful diatic episode, stressful diatic proceeding, diatic interaction of alienated subjects, or simply the diad. Whatever its name, it was a highly refined version of the third degree. Its intent was to catch the student by surprise, to deceive him, bring him to anger, ridicule his beliefs, and brutalize him. As Murray explained in the only article he ever wrote about his experiment, first you're told you have a month in which to write a brief exposition of your personal philosophy of life, an affirmation of the major guiding principles in accord with which you live or hope to live. Second, when you return with your finished composition, you're informed that in a day or two, you and a talented young lawyer will be asked to debate the respective merits of your two philosophies. When the subject arrived for the debate, he was escorted into a brilliantly lighted room and seated in front of a one-way mirror. A motion picture camera recorded his every move and facial expression through a hole in the wall. Electrodes leading to machines that recorded his heart and respiratory rates were attached to his body. Then the debate began, but the students were tricked. Contrary to what Murray claimed in his article, Murray had lied to the students. He didn't tell him they would be debating a talented young lawyer. Rather, as Murray explained in an unpublished progress report, each student was led to expect he would confront another undergraduate subject like himself. So when they were confronted with what Murray called a law school student, our trained accomplice, they were caught completely by surprise and not prepared for what followed. The law school student was carefully coached to launch an aggressive attack on his younger victim for the purpose of upsetting him as much as possible. As instructed, the unwitting subject attempted to represent and to defend his personal philosophy of life. Invariably, however, he was frustrated and finally brought to expressions of real anger by the withering assault of his older, more sophisticated opponent. While fluctuations in the subject's pulse and respiration were measured on a cardio tachometer, not surprisingly, most participants found this highly unpleasant, even traumatic as the data sets record. We were led into the room with bright lights, very bright, one of the participants said. I could see shadowy activities going on behind the one-way glass. The psychologist started fastening things on me. I had a sensation somewhat akin to someone being strapped on the electric chair with these electrodes. I really started getting hit real hard. Wham! Wham, wham! And me getting hotter and more irritated and my heartbeat going up and sweating terribly. There I was under the lights and with movie camera and all this experimentation equipment on me. It was sort of an unpleasant experience. Right away, said another code named Trump, describing his experience afterward, I didn't like the interrogator. The psychologist came waling over and he put on those electrodes. But in that process, while he was doing that kind of whistling, I was looking over the room and right away I didn't like the room. I didn't like the way the glass was in front of me through which I couldn't see, but I was being watched. And right away that puts one in a kind of unnatural situation. And I noted the big white lights. And again, that heightens the unnatural effect. There was something peculiar about the setup, too. It was supposed to look homey or look natural. Two chairs and a little table. But again, that struck me as unnatural before the big piece of glass and the lights. And then another researcher who was bubbling over, dancing around, started to talk to me about how he liked my suit. The buzzer would ring or something like that. we were supposed to begin. He was being sarcastic or pretty much of a wise guy and the first thing that entered my mind was to get up and ask him outside immediately, but that was out of the question because of the electrodes and the movie and all that. I kind of sat there and began to fume and then he went on and he got my goat and I couldn't think of what to say. And then they came along and they took my electrodes off. One subject, Hinge, thought he was being attacked. Another Nazfield complained the lights were very bright. Then the things were put on my legs and whatnot and on the arm. I didn't like the feel of the sticky stuff that was on there being sort of uncomfortable. Before the diatic confrontation took place, Murray and his colleagues interviewed the students in depth about their hopes and aspirations. During the same period, the subjects were required to write not only essays explaining their philosophies of life, but also autobiographies in which they were told to answer specific intimate questions on a range of subjects from thumb sucking and toilet training to masturbation and erotic fantasies. After all this data was collected, the diatic confrontation took place. Over time, the participant would be called back for several recall interviews where he would sometimes be asked to watch and comment on the video of the confrontation. By the end of the project, each student had spent about 200 hours being interrogated, degraded, tested, and measured. But in the end, no one involved could really tell what the point of the experiment had been. The data was never published or turned into a journal article. Murray claimed he was working on a book about his concept of the diad, but it was never produced. Some of Murray's assistants believed he just took pleasure in seeing what happened when one person attacked another. But for all the ink that's been spilled over Ted Kaczynskis supposed ties to MK Ultra, there's no evidence in the historical record directly connecting the experiment in which he participated to MK Ultra in particular, or the CIA in general. It's true that the study's lead architect, Henry Murray, had worked for the OSS during the World War II era, devising psychological screening tests for potential spies. And at least according to Timothy Liry, monitoring military experiments on brainwashing, but evidence of a direct intelligence link to this particular study is lacking. On the other hand, one of the primary goals of MK Ultra research was to brainwash someone to such an extent that they'd be willing to commit acts which were totally against their moral convictions, like murder, for instance, without remorse or even remembering the event itself. In this sense, a study about breaking down an individual's personal philosophy and moral compass is at least conceptually totally consistent with the kinds of research the CIA was conducting into brainwashing and mind control. And if the data collected during the study was never used for a book or research paper, then it's reasonable to wonder what Murray's intentions were in collecting all this extremely private information from Harvard students about their sexual habits, personalities, fears, and values. Had the whole thing been a covert project to collect compromising material about Harvard undergrads for blackmail or CIA recruitment, obviously it would be extremely valuable to an intelligence agency to have such detailed private information about a group of people who, as Harvard graduates, were almost guaranteed to soon be assuming roles at the very top of American government, finance, and industry. But whatever Murray's true motives were for conducting a study like this, there's no concrete proof of where the data ended up or what it was used for. So unfortunately, we are, at least for now, confined to speculation. For his part, Kaczynski totally rejected the idea that the study had any influence on his thinking or personality. I've received plenty of letters from people who believe that in the course of the psychological study at Harvard directed by Henry A. Hurry. I was subjected to psychological torture as part of an MK Ultra mind control experiment conducted by the CIA, but it's all [ __ ] There was one and only one unpleasant experience in the Murray study. It lasted about half an hour and could not reasonably have been described as torture. The Murray study consisted mostly of interviews and filling out paper and pencil personality tests. The CIA wasn't involved. And even by the criteria used in the study, Kaczynski was already highly alienated from others by the time he enrolled to participate. So that particular trait can hardly be blamed on the study itself. However, it's worth noting that descriptions of Kaczynski from his teachers, relatives, friends, and acquaintances before he reached Harvard describe a relatively welladjusted genius who was quote honest, ethical, sociable, and easy to talk to, and seemed to be the ringleer in his friend group. One high school guidance counselor even said that Kazinski had quote one of the greatest contributions to make to society. Austin Chase, the author who popularized the idea of the mindcontrolled uniomber, believed that it was his time at Harvard which precipitated Kaczynski's later violent acts, suspecting that Ted's philosophy was at least in part a reaction to the utopianism and worship of technological progress in Cambridge, which the Murray study only exacerbated. Kaczynski viewed himself as a revolutionary, a rational political actor seeking to wake up the populace to the truth he'd discovered through the only method accessible to him, violent direct action. Whether Kaczynski was a born psychopath or purely a product of the mental conditioning he faced at Harvard, is up to you to decide.

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By: Psych History Show

Raped by: Otto Heckel

Gary Heidnik (MK Ultra byproduct)

In 1987, a US Army veteran named Gary Heidnik was living in a run-down section of North Philadelphia. Heidnik was a curiosity in the neighborhood. His house had bars on the windows and a yard filled with trash. Yet parked in his driveway was a Rolls-Royce and a Cadillac. A sign on the front of the house read United Church of the Ministers of God. And on Sundays, the house hosted a church service where music and cries of praise the Lord could be heard from the street outside. The rest of the week, however, neighbors noticed a seemingly constant stream of female visitors going in and out of the front door. Given what would later be revealed about Gary Hyneck, it was at first widely assumed that the church he'd incorporated was a fraud created solely to bill money from naive Christians or to dodge taxes. But the real story was somewhat more complicated. In 1971, Heidnik, who had been an atheist all his life, claimed to have had a religious experience while looking out over the Pacific Ocean from the coast of Malibu in California. He said that God had told him to go to Philadelphia and open a new church which would reject donations and care for the mentally and physically disabled. A few months later, while under treatment in a mental hospital, Heidnik submitted the paperwork to incorporate the United Church of the Ministers of God, appointing himself bishop for life. Over the following 15 plus years, Heidnik held services under the United Church banner wherever he happened to be living. On Sundays, a church member would take one of Heidnik's cars and drive around picking up congregants, delivering them to Heidnik's residents. After a short sermon and some gospel music, Heidnik would take the congregation composed primarily of mentally disabled people from the surrounding neighborhoods on trips to fast food restaurants or occasionally a local theme park. It was against the church's constitution to collect donations, so a collection plate was never passed around. And if a congregant became homeless, Heidnik would allow them to stay at his house until they got back on their feet. Years later, after his arrest, even Heidnik's own lawyer admitted that he'd initially suspected that the church was just a front. But eventually, quote, "After I took the case, people started calling me saying they'd been members and they wanted to know if someone was still holding services. I was amazed. The more I found out about it, the more I was convinced it wasn't a tax dodge. But there were other perks to appointing yourself bishop of your own church that Heidnik's lawyer failed to mention. By the time of his final arrest in 1987, Heidnik hadn't held a job in at least 10 years. His only visible income was the $1,350 VA disability payments he received every month. That's over $46,000 a year in 2025 money. a result of qualifying as 100% disabled upon his discharge from the army, which was hardly enough to sustain Heidnik's lifestyle. It turned out that in 1975, Heidnik had opened an investment account with Meil Lynch in the name of the United Church of the Ministers of God and over the next 12 years parlayed an initial investment of around $20,000 into a portfolio worth almost $600,000, equivalent to roughly $1.5 million in 2025. Heck, who was judged to have above normal to superior intelligence according to his military records, was described by his broker as an astute investor who took an active part in managing his portfolio. And since the account was under his church's name, he avoided paying capital gains taxes and even got a discount on Meil Lynch's broker fees. But this wasn't the only perk of being a bishop that Heidnik exploited. There's very little information in the public record describing the precise nature or theology of Heidnik's church, but there are indications that he was running it as a kind of polygamous cult with himself as the leader. He began wearing a clerical collar and introducing himself to women as a minister while regularly seducing members of his congregation. At least five women became what Heidnik called his spiritual wives and gave birth to six children by him. His first spiritual wife, a woman named Joel Cron, continued associating with Heidnik even after he'd propositioned her daughter. The daughter told Cron to watch out because Heidnik was becoming like, quote, "Another Jim Jones." Heidnik targeted developmentally delayed women, even camping out near a treatment center that serviced that population specifically for the purpose of finding new congregants to pray upon. An employee of the Elwin Institutes in West Philadelphia, a sheltered workshop program for the mentally disabled, told local media that Heidnik had approached her after work one day when she was getting food at the McDonald's next door and began engaging her in conversation. She was holding a baseball card the restaurant had given her as part of a promotion, and Hyik asked her who the player on the card was. When she answered correctly, he asked a few more questions, and she answered those as well. When it became clear that the woman was not mentally disabled, but rather was an employee of the Elwin Institutes, Heidnik lost interest completely and ended the conversation. He had been testing her, and the fact that she could answer simple questions correctly had apparently proved to Heidnik that her IQ was too high for a potential victim. As one woman who knew Heidnik and his brother for seven years put it, he only liked women who had minds like a box of Jell-O. And this prediliction would come back to haunt him. In May of 1978, Heidik somehow convinced the staff at a mental hospital to let him take one of their patients, a 34year-old who had quote the mind of a 5-year-old out on a day trip. The woman was actually the cognitively impaired sister of Heidnik's living girlfriend. And instead of returning the woman to the institution, he kept her locked in a storage room in his house, subjecting her to 10 days of horrific abuse. After the woman was rescued, Heidnik was convicted of crimes related to the incident in June the same year and sentenced to prison. Gary Heidnik and his brother Terry had both been diagnosed with schizophrenia, and Gary had shown signs of severe mental illness from the earliest stages of his life. During his incarceration, he was repeatedly transferred to Farview State Hospital, a state-run psychiatric prison, then called an institution for the criminally insane, to receive treatment before being parrolled in 1983. Terry Heidnik would later tell reporters about a conversation he had with his brother during this period. Terry Heidnik said that after Gary's arrest in 1978, he offered to help Gary by taking him away from the city because he was living like a rat. He said his brother's reply made him sick. ''He said he got caught because the victim got to a telephone and knew where she was at. He said, 'Next time they won't know where they're at, and I'm going to have a lock on their telephone.' I said, 'Wait, we're trying to get you better, and you're talking like you want to get better at not getting caught.' Then he said, "I'm getting the drift of this thing." I went with a mentally disabled girl, but she could identify me. The next time she'll have to be blind, so she can't identify me. I walked away from him then.'' Just 3 years after his release on parole, Gary Heidnik would make good on that promise. Heck was by this time regularly picking up prostitutes and other vulnerable women from the streets of Philadelphia to bring to his house at 3520 North Marshall Street. On November 25, 1986, Heidnik abducted Josephina Rivera, a 25-year-old sex worker, incapacitated her, and then trapped her in a pit he had dug in the floor of his basement. Over the following months, Heidnik would abduct five more women, subjecting them to horrific forms of torture while keeping them chained up in the basement dungeon. Josephina Rivera, the first and oldest of the captives, began exhibiting Stockholm syndrome like symptoms, participating in the beatings of the other victims and even suggesting new methods of torture for Heidnik to employ. The other captives would later claim that Rivera had suggested using electrocution on one of the women, Deborah Dudley, for some perceived misbehavior. After Heidnik stripped the wires from an electrical cord and held the exposed ends against her chains, Dudley collapsed to the floor dead. In a panic, Heidnik forced Rivera to sign a confession, taking responsibility for the murder and made her participate in the disposal of the body. But in the aftermath, he started allowing her more freedom during the day. He would take Rivera on shopping trips or out to restaurants. And when the two returned, they would laughingly torment the other victims with stories of the day's activities. At one point, the remaining women concocted a plan to bludgeon Heidnik with household items and make a break for it. But Rivera told him about the plan before they could carry it out, leading to even more torture. Rivera was even allowed to drive Heidnik's car and helped him lure the last victim, Agnes Adams, to the house on North Marshall Street. By this time, Heidnik had begun digging a second pit in the basement next to the first one. He told the women he planned to take them all to a plantation he supposedly owned in South Carolina, where they would live together as a polygamous family. And once he abducted five more women, the two groups would rotate between the plantation and the house in Philadelphia. The day after the Agnes Adams abduction, Josephina Rivera convinced Heidnik that she might have more luck finding other victims to abduct if she searched the streets alone, and she set out by herself for the first time, agreeing to meet back up with Heidnik once she'd found another woman to bring home. Instead, she ran to an ex-boyfriend's house and called police. The other three surviving captives were freed, and Heidnik was arrested on a litany of charges, including murder. A central element of Hidneck's original planned defense at trial revolved around his mental health. And suddenly, Gary Hyneck's psych history was of significant interest to the justice system and the media. Hideneck's brother, Terry, said that when he heard about the charges, he quote believed it right off the bat. Gary was very capable of that. He said they had a family history of both brothers had attempted it themselves. Terry Heidnik said that Gary's personality seemed to radically change around the age of six or seven after he fell from a tree, suffering a massive head wound that deformed his skull so badly that other kids started calling him football head. According to Terry, after the fall, Gary had become much more violent and began torturing animals and getting in frequent fights with his peers. Heck had spent considerable time in psychiatric hospitals over the preceding years, and local media tracked down people who had interacted with him during his stints at various prisons and mental institutions. One anonymous official from Greaterford Prison said that during Hyneck's term there, he was hospitalized twice because, quote, he talked to no one, neither inmates nor staff. We thought he had a serious problem and that's why we sent him to Farview, the maximum security hospital for the criminally insane. A West Philadelphia man who said he'd spent time with Heidnik in a VA hospital in 1983 remembered Heidnik as someone who rarely spoke and mumbled when he did. I wasn't able to comprehend what he was saying. Heck would shake his head, not speak in a whole sentence. Instead, he always carried a pad and pencil and would write if he wanted to communicate. But the most important part of Hnik's background for our purposes was the period he spent in the US Army. Heidnik enlisted in 1961 and was shipped off to Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, Texas for training as a medic, where his conduct and efficiency were both rated as excellent by his superiors. In May 1962, he was posted to the 46th Army Surgical Hospital in Land Stol, West Germany as an orderly. But just 3 months after arriving in Germany, Heidnik went on sick call. He asked to see a doctor after complaining of dizzy spells, headaches, nausea, blurred vision, and what would later be described as a nervous breakdown. In October 1962, just 6 months after being posted to Germany, Heidnik was transferred back to the United States to a military hospital in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. A neurologist there noted that Heidnik seemed to be exhibiting symptoms of a mental illness. He was complaining of quote seeing things moving which the doctor thought suggested a hallucinatory experience possibly attributable to schizophrenia or a schizoid disorder. Doctors recommended he be released from service and after 3 months in the hospital heck was honorably discharged on January 30th, 1963 with a disability rating of 10% soon increased to 100%. But after Heidnik's final arrest when his lawyer A. Charles Peruto tried to get the army to release his medical records for his criminal defense. He found the army to be strangely resistant. To prepare for an insanity defense, Peruto had asked the army for any records related to Heidnik's hospitalization, typically a routine request in a criminal defense case, but the army refused to turn them over. Journalists started trying to track down more information about Heidnik's military service, but Army spokespeople refused to say why Heidnik had been sent back to the US from his posting in Germany or even the reason for his discharge, admitting only that, quote, "A person could be honorably discharged for being unsuitable for service or for a medical reason." The judge in the case even had to help Heidi's lawyer obtain a federal court order from a different judge requiring the army to hand over the records. Years later, a Philadelphia psychologist, Dr. Jack Abshi, would spend months pouring over Hidenik's medical charts trying to piece together the history of his treatment by the army. According to the book seller of horror by Ken Englade, Absi concluded that quote those initial symptoms the soldier Heidnik suffered pointed not so much towards psychosis as to the after effects of hallucinogens. While schizophrenics are noted for emotional fragidity, aloofness, and an inability to develop close relationships, Heidnik's complaints were subtly different. He admitted that he didn't respond well to authority and he also griped that others didn't like him because he performed his jobs better than they did. I was by far the best, he told one doctor and others pulled rank out of jealousy. Also, when Absi saw the drugs that were prescribed for Heidnik, an alarm went off. His medication included Stellazine, which particularly attracted Api's attention. It's a major tranquilizer, not a Valium. Stellazine has kick. If one examines the adverse reaction of these drugs as listed in physicians desk reference, it would be questionable why someone would be placed on these without a diagnosis of severe psychosis or some other psychiatric definition, said Api. It's obvious that they're drugs of choice for someone who's hallucinating. Either Heidnik was having a psychotic reaction visav the hallucination or he was responding to a hallucinatory agent. Since he was not a schizoid personality type, it's understandable that this diagnosis of schizophrenia was totally erroneous and that Hyeneck was having a hallucinatory experience. Eventually, the reason for the army's hesitance became clear. Reporters have been trying to confirm a widely circulated speculation that Gary Hyneck's medical discharge and 100% disability from the military may have been the result of secret army experiments involving LSD. In a corridor outside a city hall courtroom where Hyneck's preliminary hearing was postponed for the second time, reporters peppered Hyneck's attorney, A. Charles Peruto Jr., with questions regarding Heidnik's possible defense. It was reporters who asked Peruto whether Army LSD tests might have a bearing on the case. The Associated Press story included this paragraph. He mentioned a few things, but I won't tell what it was, Peruno said when asked about the LSD. I can only say that I don't want to answer any questions along those lines because they may be extremely relevant at some later date. Over the following weeks, Arudo got more specific. Accused torture murderer Gary Hynik entered an army hospital in West Germany for stomach pains while stationed there 25 years ago, but emerged 10 months later as a cuckoo bird, his lawyer said yesterday. Attorney Charles Perudo Jr. said he thinks the army drugged Hynik with LSD or measculine during the hospital stay in 1962 and 1963, but he said he's been unable to prove his suspicions. During a hearing yesterday, Perudo complained that the army has resisted requests for records of Heidnik's hospitalization. Outside the courtroom, Perudo said several of Hyneck's ex Army buddies have reported that Hyeneck was a little goofy when he entered the hospital for what the lawyer called bad stomach pains. But the ex pals said Heidnik was absolutely bonkers when released 10 months later. Perudo said Heidik has told his lawyer he doesn't know whether he was drugged while in the hospital. But the suspect also said he sometimes stayed awake for 2 or 3 days while hospitalized, said Peruto. Sounds like it's probably measculine or LSD, said Peruto. He was the perfect guinea pig for it. He was so wacky he didn't know if he was drugged or not. And eventually, Perudo claimed to have found proof of his suspicions. Perudo said that Army and VA documents show that Hineik was the subject of LSD tests between 1961 and 63. Although an Army spokesman said records didn't show such testing, Perudo's initial plan for Heidnik's trial was based on this line of defense. It had been Perudo's intention to introduce testimony designed to link Hyeneck's treatment at the West German military hospital to army experiments with LSD and other hallucinogens. What he wanted was to create a circumstantial trail showing that Hyeneck may have been a guinea pig for drug tests and that the experiments irreparably fried his brain. If my client were to testify, he would say he went into an army hospital where LSD experiments had been carried out, said Peruto. He would say he went in for a stomach problem and they gave him something that kept him up for three or four days. He was psychotic. That made him the perfect guinea pig. But the judge refused to allow it. She said that because Perudo didn't have direct proof that Hidenik had been subjected to hallucinogen studies, he wouldn't be allowed to use the argument in his insanity defense. Of course, most proof would have been destroyed in 1973 when CIA director Richard Helms ordered all MK Ultra files to be shredded. almost 15 years before Heidnik's arrest. As to Perudo's contention that Heidnik would have been the perfect guinea pig for these experiments, it's true that most MK Ultra research and CIA backed hallucinogen studies occurred on military bases in hospitals, psychiatric institutions, and colleges. And at least some of the doctors to whom MK Ultra work was subcontracted out intentionally targeted psychiatric patients for experimentation since they'd be easier to discredit if they blew the whistle on the project. The criteria for being judged 100% disabled from a mental health condition as Heidnik was are extremely stringent. According to VA disability guidelines, in order to qualify as 100% disabled, a person must be judged quote so adversely affected as to result in virtual isolation in the community. The person must demonstrate gross repudiation of reality with fantasy, confusion, panic, and explosions of aggressive energy resulting in profound retreat from mature behavior. And crucially, the conditions which caused the disability must be 100% attributable to the person's military service. In other words, the disability has to have been directly caused by something that happened during the claimant's military service. It can't be a pre-existing condition. So, whatever caused Hyneck's mental illness, VA doctors were convinced that it happened during the 14 months he was enlisted. But if Heidnik's lawyer really had found records proving that he'd been experimented on in the army, it seems that he never produced them publicly. After the hallucinogen defense was disallowed, Perudo had to abandon the LSD angle and pursue a more conventional insanity defense. But how plausible were Peruto's claims? Well, Fort Sam Houston, the Army base in Texas where Heidnik had undergone training, was a site for MK Ultra research. A project conducted there called Project White Coat lasted until 1973, but Perudo specifically claimed that Heidnik had been experimented on in a hospital, implying it must have occurred either during his stay at the Army Hospital in Lanstol, Germany, or at Valley Forge Military Hospital in Pennsylvania. Now, there is substantial evidence indicating that Project Artichoke, one of the CIA's MK Ultra precursor programs, was implicated in the interrogation of returning Korean War PS at Valley Forge Hospital in the early 1950s. But that was nearly a decade before Heidnik arrived there. And there's no hard evidence that those interrogations involved hallucinogens. There's no evidence that any MK Ultra experiments were taking place at Land Stol when Heidnik was there either. But the US Army was conducting parallel research on the use of hallucinogens for interrogation during the period of Hidenik's service. And it turns out that at least one of the army's studies was using soldiers all over Europe as subjects. Between 1961 and 63, Project Third Chance examined LSD's potential as a truth serum for interrogations by dosing unwitting participants with acid. In one case in France, a private from South Carolina named James Thornwell, who was suspected of stealing classified documents, was subjected to sleep deprivation, starvation, hypnosis, and eventually surreptitious doses of LSD during over 3 months of confinement and interrogation. The experience had a profoundly negative lifelong effect on his mental health. And in 1980, South Carolina's two senators shephered a bill through Congress granting Thornwell a payout of almost $700,000. Congress only identified 10 victims of Project Third Chance, but at least one of them was located in West Germany, where Heidnik had been hospitalized. Why would the army want to interrogate Heidnik? It's hard to say, but according to his brother Terry, after Gary's discharge from the army, quote, "He never talked about what happened in Germany, but I think he got into a fight. He was into all kinds of money-making schemes and loaning guys money, and something happened with all this, and they sent him back to the States." The CIA had conducted human experiments with hallucinogens in West Germany, starting in the early 1950s under the anesthesiologist Dr. or Henry Beecher. But these took place near Frankfurt, some 80 mi away from Landtol Hospital, and it's not clear if these experiments were still ongoing by the time Heidnik entered the country in 1962. Ultimately, there isn't enough evidence to definitively say that Gary Heidnik was subjected to army or CIA mind control experiments during his time in the military, but given the massive gaps in the historical record, it can't be ruled out either. Heidnik can be definitively connected to at least two sites, Fort Sam Houston in Texas and Valley Forge Hospital in Pennsylvania, which provably conducted CIA backed mind control research. But at least according to the surviving records, neither site conducted hallucinogen experiments, and there's no proof that Highneck's time there overlapped with the CIA projects. The fact that his lawyer, Charles Perudo, actually attempted to use government LSD induced insanity as a defense suggests that he must have believed he had fairly persuasive evidence of the connection. But he had access to a much greater share of Hyneck's records, which have never been released publicly. So, if there was proof in those documents, we'll likely never know. Heck's insanity defense, minus the LSD claims, proved unsuccessful. And in 1988, he was convicted of two counts of first-degree murder, six counts of kidnapping, and numerous other offenses. He was sentenced to death, and his lethal injection was ultimately carried out in July of 1999.

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By: Psych History Show

Raped by: Otto Heckel

Fox Hollow Farm Cover-Up

Mark Goodyear as acomplice

Goodyear started off claiming to be a victim of Baumeister who was trying to help the mother's of other victims solve their sons murders. It later became clear that Goodyear was in fact Baumeister's acomplice looking to shift the murders solely onto him after one of their victims escaped a ritual murder with a description of Goodyear's face.

Goodyear hiding evidence - Goodyear would appear on multiple programs with his back to the camera. He would be interviewed by a local station, but also A&D. And in both of his appearances, he told of Herb insinuating to him that he had killed up to 50 to 60 people. None of the investigators have ever heard this number before, nor did they think the physical evidence backed it up. Still, this made them extremely suspicious. Why didn't Goodyear tell them this before? He said he was having psychic intuitions in which he suggested both Julie and a group of unidentifiable men were involved.

He lied to Mary Wilson about seeing the blue car Goodlet got into the night he disappeared in Herb's garage, and he told her so. He told Connie, the partner to Virgil Vandergri, that he indeed knew how to find the house the entire time.

And now he apparently withheld information from investigators regarding over 50 homicides. Soon, Laura Mucil, a local reporter, got in contact with Eddie Moore from the Hamilton County Sheriff's Office, and he told her they were looking at Goodyear as a suspect. Carrie Milligan admits they never ruled Goodyear out. 

''Did you guys ever look at Goodyear as a suspect?'' 

''Um, when you're investigating a case like this and you have someone like Goodyear pop up, you you try to do your best to either eliminate him or incorporate him. And I don't know that he was if he was ever eliminated.''

But shortly after both of his appearances aired, he skipped town and was nowhere to be found. ''But a roommate of Mark said that Mark had packed his bags and had left. They don't know where he went.'' This could be to avoid police action, but given their track record, this is less likely. It's more likely Goodyear skipped town to avoid whoever he was afraid of all of these years as the A and program didn't mask his identity. His back was to the camera, but they addressed him as Mark Goodyear. It could be a bit of both, but it seems the people he was afraid of had more power than the police.

The director of the four-part Hulu series on Fox Hollow says they initially went out there to make the dock centered around Jeff, but then they saw the video of Mark Goodyear giving a tour of Fox Hollow to a team of paranormal investigators who also feature in the documentary. In this video, which is unfortunately not publicly available, Goodyear reveals that not only did he not see Herb just the handful of times he told police, but that he had actually dated Herb for 2 years. ''But to get to your question, so it was originally centered on Jeff because Jeff is coming in and saying, "This is not right. We need to find out who these men were and we need to let their v families have the remains." And all these bones had been sitting on a shelf at the University of Indianapolis, which is where the the lab was kind of working with them. So that was originally the entree into the story. But then there was this crazy other piece of it, which is that these paranormal investigators, these amateur paranormal investigators who have a YouTube channel called Paranormal Consequences, had come in and interviewed a guy who said he'd been a victim of Bound Meers. But over the course of their interview with him, in which he would not show his face, and he insisted on doing it at the house where all the murders took place, he revealed that, oh, he wasn't just with her one night. He had actually dated Bowmeister for two years. Two years during which Bowmeister was killing people, including some of this guy's friends.'' 

Goodyear dated Herb - The paranormal investigators themselves, Jane and Russ, were out there, of course, just for the property. Get footage of any potential supernatural activity. This was nothing new for the owner, Rob Graves, who picked up the property in 2009, 50/50, with a silent partner. He had had film crews there before and has even had the property cleansed multiple times. While he had the crew out there, he told them the story of Fox Hollow. And of course, Goodyear story came up. Rob suggested to the paranormal investigators that they get in contact with Goodyear. Rob had befriended him a few years after he got the house, so he knew Mark well enough. He puts Jane in contact with Goodyear and after a few texts, he calls her and begins to tell her things no one has heard before. The part about dating Herb for two years and making things up to the police to have them come out to the property. ''And then Mark Goodyear told me he actually dated her bombmeister for 2 years. You know, the opportunity was there for him to do harm to me, but no. Uh-uh. See, I was never attacked. I made it up so that I could help get a search warrant for the property.'' Immediately, Russ and Jane felt they needed to contact the authorities, and they actually sat down with Jeff Jellison, who used to be law enforcement, but of course, as the county coroner, there's nothing he could do. Nevertheless, they sat down with him on September 11th, 2023, and showed him the texts that Goodyear sent, but also the calls they had with him where he was completely revising his story. jealous assures them there's something there. So, they run a plan by him to see what Goodyear is like while he's at the house. 6 days later, Russ and Jane roll into Foxhell Farms and they let Goodyear give them a tour of the house that he treats with reverence. By the time they gather this footage, Steve Ainsworth had already been in contact with Jeff Jellison since April of that year. Steve Ainsworth being a cold case detective with an extensive history in law enforcement. It's unclear when exactly Steve began to take a serious look at this case, but I think it's safe to say Steve and the director of the Hulu documentary, Alex Jablonsky, had the same feeling once they actually looked into the files. After viewing the footage for himself, Alex began filing Freedom of Information Act requests on this case when they started filming. And over and over again, Goodyear's name would pop up in the files. Makes sense. after the almost 30 years of Goodyear being in front of the story. But the files were different. Others, people that Goodyear knew and some that didn't, were implicating him in the crimes themselves. For the first time, it seems someone from outside the case was looking at this entire thing for what it was. He saw the call with John Eglloff. He saw the interview with Fulham. He saw what Leroy Bray had reported to police. And with all of these stories pointing in one direction now matched with the odd behavior at Fox Hollow and Mark's admittance that he wasn't a survivor of Bowmeister but actually had a 2-year relationship with him. It was looking like in their presence was not a potential victim of Herb, but actually an accomplice. They get in contact with Goodyear and he agrees to tell his story. He wants to tell his story. And this time, for the first time, he's putting his face out on camera. Initially, they kept what they knew close to the chest. They didn't let on that multiple people had come forward to police to point out Goodyear as anything but a survivor. So, they approach Steve and ask how they should handle this. And in the last episode, you get to see Goodyear face questions he's never had to before.

Goodyear knowlege of bodies and satanic cult - ''So, one of the most interesting aspects uh other than meeting, you know, Rob and Vicki and all of that was meeting Mark, that former lover. >> He was really generous with time with us. He spent several days with us. We were there for 4 days total. >> And um >> he led us through the forest and he was pointing out, well, there was a body here and there was a body there and there's still a body here. And we're kind of thinking, how do you know this... So, I don't know seriously to take some of the things that he said. Um, for instance, one interesting thing was he told us that Herb was part of a a satanic cult or coven or whatever you want to call it in the area that had a ton of members. Um, I'm not really sure if we can believe that or not, but you know, take it for what it's worth.''

Witness to Goodyear as acomplice - In October, police sat down with a man named John Fulham. Fulham claimed he also had been taken to Fox Hollow Farms once and he also had a strange encounter. Police heard his story and his credibility is established when he gives a detailed account of the house beyond which could be gathered from a view of news footage. His account takes place on July 4th, 1993. At this point in the official story, the only victim at this time would be Johnny L. Bear. And the next victim, Jeffrey Allen Jones, would actually disappear in 2 days. The account Fulham gives is very similar to Goodyears. He's picked up at one of the gay bars he's taken to Fox Hollow. The only difference between this account and Goodyears is Fulham drives himself. We get no detail on what actually took place once he got there, but we do get the description of the man who took him there. He was around 6 ft, straight brown hair, no facial hair, but he was also in his 20s, around 25 or 26. Herb was 46 at this time, so that's not adding up. The police show him a picture of Herb and he says that is not the man who took him to the farm that day. And it wasn't Herbert that you were there with? He says the man who took him out to the farm had the name Michael or Mark. ''It was the guy trying to think either Michael or Mark and he was house sitting for his boss.'' 

Police apparently never showed him a picture of Goodyear. And now they never will as Fulham has passed away. This account very clearly points to Goodyear, but it is not certain. What is certain is that someone other than Herb took Fulham out to the farm under the pretense he was housesitting for his boss. The next story police would receive would leave no room for doubt. 4 months after Fulham talked with police, a man named Leroy Bray would come forward with information he has about a murder that took place at Fox Hollow Farms. He was out there for what is supposed to be a surprise party. He has a few drinks. He felt the drinks were pushed on him and he also felt they were laced. It's unclear how many people are there, but Bray has a history with Herb. Next, he's out on the back porch, and he's soon, in his own words, introduced to several different people. ''and I thought we were having a barbecue or something, and I was introduced to several different people.'' He's confused about what's going on, and he's told they are all going to do some theatrical stuff, like a play. A man comes out in a raincoat with a hat and a mask on, shortly followed by two young guys. One of the young men asks, "What's going on?" when the other turned and held him and handcuffed him while the man in the raincoat pulled a pistol and shot the man three times. This was followed with a single shot from a shotgun. Someone came over and held the shotgun on Bray while the man in a coat took off his disguise and shouted, "Surprise! This man was Herbert Bowmeister." He asked what this was about, and he was told, "Well, we don't like snitches and we don't want any trouble." Quickly, him and another man named Danny Covert ran off into the woods and escaped. The man who was shot he had never seen before, but he told police the man who held his arms and handcuffed him was Mark Goodyear. 

This happened in 1995. What else happened in 1995? Well, in August, Goodyear finally turns a piece of information in on Herb that actually leads to his downfall. 

It could be this incident with two escaped witnesses that pushed Goodyear into finally pulling the thread to unravel the killings at Fox Hollow. Of course, it was never up to just Goodyear, though, was it? From this account alone, we have multiple suspects, Herban Goodyear, but also the several people that came out and that Bray was introduced to that saw the shooting happen. Unfortunately, to this day, both Fulham's account and Bray's are not available to the public in full. We know Fulham's interview was taped as well as Goodyear's, but we only get the transcribed version of Goodyear's interview. But again, no version of Braze or Fulham's account is available in full. It's also likely they taped other interviews that would shed a lot of light on this case, but we have access to none of them. It's also unfortunate that many of these key players are now dead.

So, what was the house used for? Well, obviously for murder given the dozens of remains in the backyard alone. But what purpose did the murders serve? Steve Ainsworth, a cold case detective brought on to this case from the outside, noticed something peculiar about Mark's behavior on the grounds of Fox Hollow. ''One of the things I noticed was he wasn't wearing any shoes. And you know, he has recently found God. I started thinking biblically, when you take your shoes off, it's because you're on holy ground. I wonder if he thinks of that house and those grounds as being holy ground somehow.'' 

In fact, according to a paranormal investigator that sat down with Mark, she says he told her Herb was in a local satanic cult with lots of members. ''Um, for instance, one interesting thing was he told us that Herb was part of a a satanic cult or coven or whatever you want to call it in the area that had a ton of members.'' The scene in which Herb himself was found was ritualistic. according to Vandagramrif who to my knowledge has not had his credibility questioned. So was Fox Hollow Farms being used for ritual killings by a group of powerful individuals that had the ability to cover up this case for almost three decades.

Goodyear admission - Here also, for the first time, and only time, do we get Goodyear admitting he's been to the farm not just more than once, but so many times he can't recount. Goodyear tells of an encounter he had in 2016 with the spirit of a victim no one has heard before. This spirit actually tells Goodyear who he was and how he was killed. Not that there was any other way that Goodyear would know who this victim was and how he was killed. You know, more plausible ways like perhaps being there when it happened. But no, apparently the spirit of Albert told him his backstory and how he was murdered. Next, he would go on to tell the paranormal investigators that a spirit haunted Fox Hollow, but it was an evil spirit and not one of the victims. In fact, it was Herb's accomplice. Apparently, Goodyear knew who Herb's accomplice was the whole time. He even says this accomplice was the one who killed Herb in Canada, and the reason he never said anything was because he was afraid of the man. He also says this man killed many women at Fox Hollow Farms. Goodyear says this man haunts the grounds of the farm, but he never says he got this information from the spirit like Albert, meaning he likely knew Herb's accomplice while he was alive and knew about the deaths that took place there at the hands of this man and never reported it to police. He is admitting right here that he knew that murders were happening at Fox Hollow. He is admitting that he knew Herb had an accomplice. And he is admitting that he knew Herb was in fact murdered. And this person that he was likely in contact with was free not only from prison, but from police suspicion. They never even knew who this guy was, and we still don't to this day. Finally, Goodyear says that good and evil spirits haunt Fox Hollow, but one in particular may be responsible for the deaths. Goodyear calls it the frog, and he goes on to say that Herb and his accomplice both haunt Fox Hollow. Herb's accomplice apparently thinks it is using the frog, but the frog is in fact using him. He calls the frog a liar and a trickster and says that it has been there long before Herb bought the property. Now, how in the world could Goodyear possibly know this? Goodyear is constantly referring to his god. He knows his God is real and it was there with him the entire time. Now we know that time was more than the one night and there his God was all the while. Goodyear never says he's a Christian. He never proclaims a particular faith. We know he views Fox Hollow as a holy place and treats it with reverence, something that Steve Ainsworth would point out himself. One has to wonder who his god is. It doesn't appear to be Jesus Christ. So, what does he mean when he says he knows his God is real and was there with him the entire time? How does he know that this frog entity is a trickster and a liar? And how does he know it has been there for a long time? 

Something I find interesting and worth pointing out here again is that another paranormal investigation team sat down with Goodyear and was told something even more damning in terms of what was really going on at Fox Hollow Farms during the murders. Again, Goodyear told them Herb was in a satanic cult or coven that had a ton of members. All of this is left out of his newest telling while still holding on to the same fundamental changes. Rob Graves, who has befriended Goodyear and has known him for a decade, has a problem himself with Goodyear's story and finds it difficult not to point the finger at him. When asked what leads him to believe that Goodyear knows more than he's letting on, he says it's not good that Mark says he's seen bodies in the backyard. More accurately, he says it's not a good thing to say. ''What has he said that's led you to think he knows more than he's saying? >> I mean, he's told me things like, uh, I he had seen, you know, he had seen some seen some bodies here. I mean, that's that's not good. That's that's not good. I mean to say that on I mean I''  

Graves himself is a strange character and not so innocuous. ''You know my given name is Robert but I've always gone by Rob and then of course my last name just happens to be Graves. Um we we've never put it on the mailbox but uh there's some irony in in the fact that if you say it together you're robbing Graves. Then I got a phone call one day that um a lady had told me that Rob has bones >> in his personal possession >> in his kitchen in a drawer. So I said, "Can't have that. That's evidence. I need to identify those." So he did and he says he takes them occasionally down the University of Indianapolis. Well, >> occasionally, >> you know, they the these are these are remains. These are people, deceased individuals that you just decide to go out and in your backyard and kick up bones and then not call law enforcement or not call the coroner, >> right? That should have been the first phone call, >> right? So, Rob had explained that and I sat Rob down and had a conversation and explained that's not the way we're going to do it in the future.'' Not turning in bones he found in the backyard is not the worst of it, though. Graves also told Jeison that he was approached by a lead detective for the case and for $10,000, he was offered a box of evidence. ''Um, I called Rob over and I said, "Hey, you know what? I really question some of these photos that you have because they look to me to be law enforcement photos. They had scales in them and you know, not just something you'd just take your camera out and snap a picture of. And Rob told me that the lead detective showed up at his front door and offered to sell him a box of evidence in this case for $10,000. >> Well, Rob told me he didn't buy it. >> Oh, >> yeah. He didn't buy it. He said that the some of the photographs he had were given to him uh by law enforcement, but he didn't buy the box.'' 

after escaped with a description of Goodyear, he would start helping try to catch Baumeister in the hopes that the murders would be pinned on him alone.

Goodyear's controlled takedown of Herb - When gay men started disapearing in Indianapolis, the mothers of the missing men (Catherine Araujo, Mary Marinis) hired private investigator, Virgil Vandagriff. Mark Goodyear was introduced to Vandagriff by Jeff, the same person who persisted in getting victim Alan Goodlet out the night he went missing, night only to leave him at the bar. Goodyear's initial tip was that he saw Herb with Goodlet but had never interacted with him himself. Later statements would show that he had known Herb the whole time, meaning he was withholding infromatino from the investigation, indicating himself as an acomplice, while still trying to sink Herb by helping Vandagriff's private investigation. 

In Goodyear's police interview, he says he could have met Herb before 1994. He then claims that Herb would show up to his house spontaniously as marriage got rough, even going so far as to claim he called the police while Herb was in the house, and the Herb would taunt him by telling him no one would beleive him. Another time Goodyear describes chasing Herb down alleyways between the different bars and confronting him in front of everyone, getting on top of furniture and telling everyone he is the killer, and that Herb would, again, taunt him that know one would beleive him.

Goodyear would eventually point out Herb in a bar, publicly telling everyone there he was the killer, and making sure his friend Albert wrote down his plate number, which led them to Fox Hollow Farm. We know now from later interviews that Goodyear had in fact had regular contact with Herb for a year.

Herb's wife, Julie, would say of Goodyear: ''He was a weirdo, a criminal bent on revenge for some strange reason.''

Herb fear of Goodyear - Herb's lawyer, John Egloff, called the police on Herb for a welfare check after a phone call he had with him. Herb started the conversation by stating that five minutes after he hung up he wouldnt be around anymore. He went on to say that were would be a note for his wife behind a picure of their kids in the den, and that he wasnt supposed to call her until later that evening, to give him time to do what he wa gonna do. Herb would also tell him that he had gotten involved with someone called Mark Goodyear, that had been stalked by him, that had woken up one morning to Goodyear trying to strangle him, and that he was worried he might go after his family. He also told Egloff that there was more information about Goodyear above the lockers in his Westside store. Unfortunately, neither the note or the Information on Goodyear would be reported by the police.

Indication of Cover-Up

Cover-up of acomplice - ''August 7th, 1993. Alan Livingston, 28, last seen getting into a White vehicle. That same night, Manuel Rezendez, 31, went to a nightclub with some friends. When it came time to leave, [music] the friends couldn't find Manuel.'' Just a week later and on the same night, two men would disappear. Only one program gives the description of when Alan Lee Livingston disappeared, and that's the A&E documentary. A few articles managed to detail the date Livingston went missing, but no book has managed to do so. I've got five different accounts to source from. Most don't even mention this victim. Even still, there are inconsistencies. The program dates his disappearance as August 7th. But the articles list it as August 6th. Why there is a discrepancy is unclear, but it perhaps has to do with the fact that another man disappeared on the same exact night. How exactly is Herb supposed to accomplish this? We get the story from Goodyear that his killings, if he was the one killing, and if this truly was his manner of killing, that they were very up close and personal, drawn out. Well, supposedly he managed to do this not only to Alan Lee Livingston, but also Manuel Rosendez. They both disappeared on the same night. Allan was last seen getting into a car, and Manuel disappeared in one of the clubs. Finding an exact date on Manuel's disappearance is a challenge, too. Again, out of the five books I have on this case, not one of them details the exact date he went missing. Better yet, not a single book or program makes note of the fact these two men disappeared the same night except the A&E documentary. Even still, the program doesn't question it and just continues on. Let me know what you think in the comments. Why is this fact ignored and I'd say covered up given most accounts don't even give you the dates they disappeared when they had access to them? To me, it's clear they did this so they didn't have to account for how Herb was supposed to have done this alone. After that night in August, it would be another 8 months before the next victim would disappear. 

In April, Steven Hail, 27, was bailed out and never seen again. The person who bailed him out, the same man who was obsessed with Hamilton. The police later looked into Douglas Anderson for obvious reasons, but found nothing on his property. They used cadaavver dogs to see if any corpses were present at his home. And that seemingly is the extent of their investigation on Anderson. Anderson indeed had another connection to one of the missing men in the area revealed in this clip. 

''During the investigation, we started to examine all the commonalities that were involved to find out who we could definitely say knew who. And the police do have a suspect, a man who had a relationship with two of the missing men. We certainly felt we were on the right track. Uh what we were trying to do from that point on is not only tie him in with actually just two of the people that were missing, but see how many other connections we could make. It doesn't take long for the IPD to make those links. We found later on another one of our missing persons also had a personal relationship with this person. He was looking to be a pretty good suspect to us at that time. Police now have reason to search the suspect's home. We did make a site visit to his hall with his permission. We took cadaabver dogs with us, made a thorough examination of the property, looking for any depressions in the ground that might indicate that someone had been buried on the property. But once again, as the the investigation played out, uh that proved to be a dead end for us.''

Articles online say Hail disappeared April 1st, 1994. where the bodies are buried simply places his disappearance in April. Yet, a newspaper article from the time of Herb's death states he was last seen in August. An A&E documentary places it in July. 

90s police inaction - ''When you have somebody that's a good suspect and you're just trying to you're you're working on a warrant or you're getting ready to arrest him. We would always have surveillance on somebody. BM got away with nobody surveilling him.'' 

''And I didn't know this until I spoke to other, you know, kind of career homicide detectives who said like it is policing 101 that when you have a suspect and you are writing the arrest warrant, you have that suspect surveiled. They never surveiled her. They didn't even have a car parked outside of the lakehouse, which is all it would have taken is one police cruiser sitting outside the lakehouse to know where he was going to be. And that is one of the pieces of this case that, you know, viewers seem to struggle to understand and I'm right there with I do not understand how that happened.''

Despite the inaction, the case moves forward with or without Hamilton County's interest. Just this year, we got the four-part documentary that exposed new evidence detrimental to the initial story. We got multiple case files available to the public and perhaps most importantly, we got a new identification. Daniel Thomas Howerin was not listed among the suspected victims. And yet, almost 30 years later, his case has been closed. Work continues on this case today, and it seems nothing will slow Jeff Jalison down, nor Alex Jablonsky, who says he now has enough information to make another eight episodes.

Not askig for a search warrent - Hamilton County disregarded basic protocol as they decided to return the next morning to continue the search and they allow Julie and the kids to stay on the property overnight. Crucial hours would be lost there where potential evidence could have been disturbed or destroyed. The next morning, the search began, but for some reason, Sonia Liramp, a prosecutor for Hamilton County, decided Julie's allowance of the search was enough, and they really didn't need a search warrant. The next step was to check with the prosecutor's office to find out what actions were within their legal power. Anderson placed a call to Sonia Sony Liramp, Hamilton County's prosecuting attorney. We've got human bones on an estate in Westfield, he told her. Lots of them, looks like. Oh no, Lear Camp groaned. Oh yeah, Anderson shot back. He told her about the Indianapolis men, Tony Harris's night at the estate and the Bowmeister's impending divorce. Did they need a search warrant? Julie had extended an invitation for the next day. He explained Julie's invitation was enough for Lar Camp. If a property co-owner allows a search, a warrant isn't necessary, she told Anderson. When it came to procedural caution on a serial killer case, nah, we'll just take the word of the serial killer's wife. This didn't go unnoticed by others around her. And luckily enough, Wilson went ahead and got a warrant anyway. 

Pontentual snuff film production & cover-up thereof - When they police were searching the hosue same day they are searching the house, investigator Carrie Milligan sees the TVs by the pool, and he also notices a loose vent above the pool area that he figures was a perfect spot to put a hidden camera in. So, he questions Julie. Goodyear, of course, stated in his interview that he found a closet full of camera equipment. With all of this in mind, hopefully he asks Julie if Herb kept any videotapes in the house. ''Yes, he did,'' she says. ''Right this way,'' she takes him to a closet in the pool area where she said Herb kept hundreds of videotapes. But she was baffled. They were gone. He must have took them. So, by now they have plenty of reasons, not only to question Herb, but to bring him in. Well, perfect timing would come in. As from the start, the reason Julie let police onto the property was so that they could go get Eric from Herb. They told her she would need a court order for them to do anything. So Julie files an emergency custody order that is to be fulfilled on the 25th, the same day they're searching the house. So two birds, one stone, right? They go up to Lake Wawasi, take herb in, and return Eric to Julie. They secure the tapes and finish at the house and begin to stack charges on Herb, right? Nope. They act on the court order to retrieve Eric, but they leave Herb at the lakehouse because they say they didn't have enough evidence to take him in, let alone to question him. They also assumed Herb was not going to run, so they didn't put any surveillance on him. The guy who preemptively removed hundreds of tapes from the house that Carrie Milligan himself suspects showed evidence of his crimes. The guy who clearly had fornowledge that the police were going to be searching his house. They didn't think this guy was going to run. So, they leave Herb there with the tapes and with nobody watching him. As Sonia Liramp would put it, by the time they realized his potential link to the bodies they were finding, they could no longer locate him. Of course, it didn't take very long for them to figure this out as it was the very next day on Wednesday that they decided to try and take her in, but could no longer locate him. Now, this looks very much like they let him get away, but surely this is just good old incompetence. A single night of surveillance on Herb would have prevented this. But it seems they were determined to let Herb escape with the tapes that would never be seen again. I wonder what or who was on those tapes and why all protocol was abandoned so Herb could offload the tapes to who knows where. They never turn up intact or destroyed, so they very well could still be out there.

Unfortunately, we don't get to see the entire walkthrough that the police taped. We only get a glimpse of specific corners of the house with very lowquality footage. I'm curious why that might be. The rooms that were also in use didn't appear to be used for normal activities. One of the kids' rooms had a closet that was filled not with clothes, but it was instead filled with camera equipment. Again, this is being pointed out from a man who was reportedly involved in the crimes, dropping hints to police. 

Herb's assassinationPolice began tracking Herbs movements from wire transfers his brother Brad was making to him. By Friday, Herb was in Fenville, Michigan. the 29th, the next day, he was in Port Hiron and Ontario police said he was in Sarnia, which borders Port Hiron in Canada, the next day. For the next 4 days, Herb's movements and actions are unknown. The next time anyone involved in the case would see him, he would have a bullet hole in his forehead. 

Goodyear on Herb's deatg: ''We'll save that for another damn show. How about that? I'm not trying to do 25. Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. I can tell you at the end of his life his fingers were as round and swollen as sausages. There's no way he could have pulled that trigger.''

Kathleen Clark, who was one of the investigators sent up to Canada, was told by local police that one of their officers had actually stopped Herb the night before his death. He was sleeping in his car under a bridge. And in the back seat was a box full of videotapes. Again, no tapes were ever recovered, intact or destroyed, from the selection he removed from the house. At the scene of his death, the man who discovered Herb's body claims there was no gun there. >> So, where's the gun? I was there. I'm standing over the body. There's no gun there. Trust me, I had a really good look around. There was no gun there. It was also discovered Herb's car had the carpeting removed from the inside of the vehicle. something pointing very clearly to the cover up of a homicide. The missing gun and ritual scene were dismissed by investigators, including Carrie Milligan. >> No, the gun was there. There was rumors that they had some kind of like satanic halter and [ __ ] set up. That's all [ __ ] He was just dead. Dead right there. >> The ripped out carpets remains a mystery without an answer. In fact, it appears investigators simply never questioned the missing carpets or what motive Herb would have to rip them out. Also discovered at the scene was a three-page note that was addressed to Canadian authorities. We do not have direct access to the entire note, but from what is detailed by those who have read it, Herb rambles on about his family and the business. Nothing is mentioned about the victims or any illegal activities that took place at the farm or elsewhere.

I70 strangler coverupWhen the bones on Fox Hollow were uncovered and the victims not only matched the description, but the method, Linlaw figured this was the guy. He could finally put the I70 Strangler case to bed. But of course, as mentioned earlier, the case is still open. By 1991, Linloff had two solid pieces of physical evidence. He had a seaman sample and a handprint. Both were left at different crime scenes. In 1991, Lynloff was to meet with the FBI in Richmond, Indiana about his case. Two weeks before this, he was to have the seaman sample tested and analyzed and have the results passed out to each of the departments working on the I70 case. When he went to his own department in Prebble County, Ohio, and asked for the sample, well, it was gone. Somehow the chain of custody for a key piece of evidence in a serial killer case failed and the seaman sample disappeared and no one knew how. Now years later, all they had was the palm print. Now all they needed was their suspect. In 1996, they got him dead, but they still had a chance to close their case for the I70 stranglings. All they would need to do was get a match from the palm print they had with the palm print of Herbert Bowmeister. The body was still in the hands of the Canadian authorities and the case was still Hamilton counties. So David Lynloff in contact with Sergeant Wisman asked for a palm print from Herb's corpse. They of course obliged and they had one of their own Hamilton County technicians sent up to Canada to collect a palm print from the corpse of the only suspect in both the Fox Hollow killings but also the I70 stranglings. The technician returns and Linloff himself goes and picks up the print and drops it off at the Miami Valley Crime Lab in Dayton, Ohio. Bad news, the print didn't take. It wasn't clear enough. Somehow, in the process of extracting the print from Herb's body, the man whose entire job it is to conduct successful forensic tests, failed to do so and made it all the way back down to Indiana and turned the print in without ever noticing. This level of incompetence is baffling, but there was still a chance to get another print. This time done right. Lynoff gets in contact with Mary Wilson to get another print, but she informs him that Herb unfortunately has already been cremated. Now, I can't imagine the level of anger Linloff would be dealing with in this situation, but nor could I imagine the relief he felt when the very next day Mary calls him and tells him Herb actually hadn't been cremated. This time, IPD sent their technician up to Canada to get the print. Surely, whoever this individual was knew the last one didn't take, and they should take extra care to get a good print. The print comes back. Lindloff picks it up again, drops it off at the Miami Valley Crime Lab. Lindloff is once more informed the print didn't take. At this point, Lindloff is ready to go up there himself to get his print, but Mary Wilson soon informs him that Herb actually had been cremated for real this time. There went the last piece of physical evidence that would ever potentially tie Herb to the I70 killings and thus close a case that is still open today. 

The only link besides the circumstantial evidence came in June 1997 after the word of Herb's crime spread. Sheriff James Bradbury of Hancock County, Indiana, compared the sketch of the man who was last seen leaving with I70 strangler victim Michael Riley. To him, the comparison was a hit, and he quickly reached out to Riley's friend, who was the last to see Riley with the mysterious man that night, to look at the picture of Herb to see if he could make an identification. The friend at first claimed he wasn't the guy, but the photo he was looking at was a more recent one. In this murder happened over 10 years ago. Bradberry wastes no time in retrieving a photo from 1983, the exact year his friend was found. And right there on Herb's wrist was the watch he remembered so vividly all those years ago. Herb was that man.

Turning a blind eye to Goodyear - And now he apparently withheld information from investigators regarding over 50 homicides. Soon, Laura Mucil, a local reporter, got in contact with Eddie Moore from the Hamilton County Sheriff's Office, and he told her they were looking at Goodyear as a suspect. Carrie Milligan admits they never ruled Goodyear out. 

''Did you guys ever look at Goodyear as a suspect? Um, when you're investigating a case like this and you have someone like Goodyear pop up, you you try to do your best to either eliminate him or incorporate him. And I don't know that he was if he was ever eliminated.''

Hereb's lawyer had even reported to the police that Herb had called him before his death saying that he was scared of Goodyear

Despite this, Goodyear has not yet been aprehened, despite a survivior recognising him.

non cooperation from county in documentary - In the making of the four-part documentary, many involved with the case were contacted to participate, but only one responded. ''Yeah. I mean, so the first of all, I should mention we reached out to every single investigator who is still alive and was part of this case, and only one was willing to speak to us. So, um, uh, so one from Hamilton County Sheriff's Office and and one kind of person who was tangentially involved from the Indianapolis PD, but that's it out of probably 11. So, I think that they're they're they are aware that there are a lot of questions around this case. >> After the documentary came out, there was no reaction from Hamilton County. Something that surprised Alex Jablonsky. >> The one place there hasn't been any real reaction is the Hamilton County Sheriff's Office. They refused to speak to us on camera when we were making this. They have I thought for sure I was going to get like reached out to. They're going to say, "Hey, what material do you have?" Maybe even a subpoena. And none of that. And I asked, you know, folks in India in Hamilton County like, "What's going on?" They're like, "Meh, they're not they're not touching it." 

There appears to be no effort to reopen the case, no interest in the new evidence or unfollowed leads. This inaction in uninterest mirrors the initial investigation in the '9s. Something that both Steve Ainsworth and Alex Jablonsky question.

Herb as a patsy for an elite Cult

Father connections -

Piss detail -

LSD Testing - Herb would graduate high school in 1965 and like his father would enroll at Indiana University naming anatomy as his major. He would only stay for the first semester, then he would drop out. He landed a job at the Indianapolis Star as a copy boy. This job is suspected to have come from his father's connections. Somehow a local anesthesiologist was able to pull a job for his son that the book Where the bodies are buried describes as a position for the children of prominent citizens. Regardless of his father's involvement, the control his father had over his life would be shown in other places not far down the road. For the rest of 1966, Herb would stay at the Indianapolis Star and make the very same impressions he did while he was in school. His co-workers found him odd, but his boss, Gary Donna, actually took a liking to Herb's eccentricities. Regardless, Herb also wouldn't stay there much longer and actually tried his hand again at school, right in the middle of the so-called counterculture revolution. The campus was rampant with LSD. And perhaps unsurprisingly, Eli Liy, the company that worked directly with the CIA to produce mass quantities of LSD in 1954, was based in Indianapolis. Obviously, this drug didn't remain in the confines of the labs, and soon all over college campuses in the US, the next generation would be experimenting with the drug the CIA had written plans to use on a mass scale. 

Wife as possible handler - I couldn't find a smooth way to put this in here, but I have to mention it. Julie claims in her first year of marriage with Herb that he packed up his stuff, moved into a different room in the house, and refused to speak with her for almost a year. This narrative is left out of most books as it comes from her police interview in 1996 that has only recently become public. Given Herb went into the mental ward 6 months after his wedding, this could be the period of time Julie is referring to. But that would mean as soon as they got married, Herb refused to speak to her and lived in a separate room. One really has to scrutinize Julie's role in this relationship because there is nothing about these two that is romantic. So, why did Julie stay past all of Herb's various and serious issues? I'll save my opinion for the end, but it's pretty clear the role she is playing with Herb.

On Monday, June 24th, 1996, Julie would invite Mary Wilson to Fox Hollow Farm. Wilson would invite Captain Tom Anderson and Detective Jeff Markham from the Hamilton County Sheriff's Department and they would all convene with Julie to discuss what she and her son found a year and a half ago. 

Phsychotic break & MK Ultra - In the beginning of 1972, Herb blains a job at the local BMV. It wasn't long after he started working at the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, another job his father is rumored to have secured for him, that her began behaving strangely, ranting and raving at fellow employees for no apparent reason. It became obvious to Julie, too, that something was terribly wrong. He'd just sit in the living room and cry and cry and cry. A friend would later recall, "What sparked this reaction in Herb is unknown to this day. But what we do know is this behavior did not sit well with his father or Julie. So they had Herb committed just six months into his marriage. Herb and Julie were still newly weds when Herb's father had him committed to Laru D. Carter Memorial Hospital. Named for Laru Dew Carter, a prominent IU School of Medicine neurossychiatrist and neurology professor and the first president of the Indiana Council for Mental Health. The state-run psychiatric institution opened its doors in 1952. Its purpose was to serve as a research and teaching facility for IU faculty and students. Why the Elder Bowmeister chose to have Herb sent to Carter when he easily could have afforded a private hospital is unclear. His decision though said a great deal about the degree of help he felt Herb needed. ''If you were a doctor in this town back then and you put your child in Laroo Carter, said one lifelong resident of Indianapolis, you were essentially admitting you knew he or she had a long-term problem, [said another longtime resident of the city.] That's not where somebody who was just a little disoriented went. That's where somebody went if they had serious psychological problems.'' Julie visited Herb often during what ended up being his nearly two-month stay at Carter. almost unbelievably though she would say it was because he began to seem like his old self once he returned home. She would later claim to have never broached the subject of Herb's hospitalization with either him or his father. The writers of Where the Bodies Are Buried lay the blame solely at the feet of Herb's father, but the author of The Garden of Evil says it was a joint decision between Julie and her father-in-law to have Herb committed. Whatever they did in the IU research facility called Laru De Carter Memorial Hospital seemed to have worked as according to Julie, Herb seemed like his old self again. What actually went down at Laru is unknown. Julie apparently never brought it up again with either Herb or his father. What we do know is in this time period at colleges and universities on army, air force and naval bases, at prisons, hospitals and clinics, and perhaps most importantly for Herb, psychiatric institutions, a project known as MK Ultra was taking place, and its main aim was to achieve mind control. Certain projects dealt with people like Herb, who had more than one personality. These projects dealt with getting one personality to kill without the main personality being aware of this action, making them perfect for covert operations in which secrecy was necessary. We don't know all of the facilities this project took place at, nor do we know the true extent of this project either because a majority of the documents were shredded in 1973. The director of the CIA said MK Ultra was a failure. George Esther Brooks, one of the leading MK Ultra Doctors, went on to write the opposite, proudly touting his success at splitting soldiers personalities for secret missions. Well, Herb comes from a military family, meets a girl who also had family in the military on a college campus just an hour away from the company that was synthesizing LSD on mass for the CIA. This girl would show loyalty that we know was not born out of romance, and she would stick with her, though he was isolated from everyone around him. The same guy never showed interest in girls and Julie just the same never got any interest from him. Yet they date for four years, get married, don't consummate the marriage. Then he gets sent off to a psychiatric institution for 2 months that was used for research by the same college he attended off and on for years at her and her father's bidding, according to one author. And he returns his old self, which is still a mentally ill person that would supposedly go on to kill well over 20 people all on his own. Then after Herb walks out of the IU research facility, he picks right back up at his job that he abruptly left for 2 months and continues on with his life like nothing happened. He even picks up a single college class at Butler University later in the year. The class being psychology.

Herb Split personality - In this interview, he changed his story drastically from his initial telling in the '90s, but it is actually not the first version of this revision. It's actually very similar to the account he gave Rob Graves and Richard Estep in their book, The Horrors of Fox Hollow Farm. The book released September 8th, 2019 and covers Estep's paranormal investigation into Fox Hollow Farm. And much like the paranormal investigators that came after him, he also got to meet Goodyear and hear his story from his own mouth. Interestingly, this version has details Goody Year left out of his interview with Alex Jablinsky that I find very telling. Right off the bat, Goodyear says Herb had two personalities and referred to himself in the third person. In fact, Goodyear would say Herb's personality split was due to being demonically possessed. After telling the crew about Albert, Goodyear once again drove home the fact Herb had two personalities. That whenever he was with Herb and he dissociated into another personality, it was as if a switch had been flipped and a visible change would come over him like another person was looking out of the same eyes.

Goodyear knowlege of bodies and satanic cult - ''So, one of the most interesting aspects uh other than meeting, you know, Rob and Vicki and all of that was meeting Mark, that former lover. >> He was really generous with time with us. He spent several days with us. We were there for 4 days total. >> And um >> he led us through the forest and he was pointing out, well, there was a body here and there was a body there and there's still a body here. And we're kind of thinking, how do you know this... So, I don't know seriously to take some of the things that he said. Um, for instance, one interesting thing was he told us that Herb was part of a a satanic cult or coven or whatever you want to call it in the area that had a ton of members. Um, I'm not really sure if we can believe that or not, but you know, take it for what it's worth.''

Goodyear admission/accult - Here also, for the first time, and only time, do we get Goodyear admitting he's been to the farm not just more than once, but so many times he can't recount. Goodyear tells of an encounter he had in 2016 with the spirit of a victim no one has heard before. This spirit actually tells Goodyear who he was and how he was killed. Not that there was any other way that Goodyear would know who this victim was and how he was killed. You know, more plausible ways like perhaps being there when it happened. But no, apparently the spirit of Albert told him his backstory and how he was murdered. Next, he would go on to tell the paranormal investigators that a spirit haunted Fox Hollow, but it was an evil spirit and not one of the victims. In fact, it was Herb's accomplice. Apparently, Goodyear knew who Herb's accomplice was the whole time. He even says this accomplice was the one who killed Herb in Canada, and the reason he never said anything was because he was afraid of the man. He also says this man killed many women at Fox Hollow Farms. Goodyear says this man haunts the grounds of the farm, but he never says he got this information from the spirit like Albert, meaning he likely knew Herb's accomplice while he was alive and knew about the deaths that took place there at the hands of this man and never reported it to police. He is admitting right here that he knew that murders were happening at Fox Hollow. He is admitting that he knew Herb had an accomplice. And he is admitting that he knew Herb was in fact murdered. And this person that he was likely in contact with was free not only from prison, but from police suspicion. They never even knew who this guy was, and we still don't to this day. Finally, Goodyear says that good and evil spirits haunt Fox Hollow, but one in particular may be responsible for the deaths. Goodyear calls it the frog, and he goes on to say that Herb and his accomplice both haunt Fox Hollow. Herb's accomplice apparently thinks it is using the frog, but the frog is in fact using him. He calls the frog a liar and a trickster and says that it has been there long before Herb bought the property. Now, how in the world could Goodyear possibly know this? Goodyear is constantly referring to his god. He knows his God is real and it was there with him the entire time. Now we know that time was more than the one night and there his God was all the while. Goodyear never says he's a Christian. He never proclaims a particular faith. We know he views Fox Hollow as a holy place and treats it with reverence, something that Steve Ainsworth would point out himself. One has to wonder who his god is. It doesn't appear to be Jesus Christ. So, what does he mean when he says he knows his God is real and was there with him the entire time? How does he know that this frog entity is a trickster and a liar? And how does he know it has been there for a long time? 

ritual - It was also stated the manner in which Herb was laid out was ritualistic in nature. This coming from Virgil Vandergri, >> 1996. When Herb up in Canada, he kind of made a ritual type uh scene. >> How he raised the sand up and made a kind of an alder type thing out of it. His arms were spread out. He had some dead birds laid out. >> 

Goodyear scared of others - ''This is kind of a groundbreaking moment cuz you've never shown your face on camera. I have done silhouette. Never before a face tof face interview with the with the camera. >> Why now? >> There was a time when people were alive had something to be afraid of. Now it's been 30 years. >> It doesn't bother me anymore.''

continued killing after Herb's death - The search of the grounds was over around the time Herb's body turned up. In all, they found over 10,000 bone fragments and other items that would later match a Bray's story, that being handcuffs and shotgun shells. One thing they never found among the fragments were the skulls. They found multiple mandibles that they would use to ID the first set of victims, but the skulls themselves were never found. By September, identifications came back for Steven Hail, 26, Richard Hamilton, 20, Manuel Rosendez, 31, and Roger Alan Goodlet, 33. Work proceeded on the Fox Hollow case, though not for long. David Lynoff from Ohio was left as much in the dark after the search of Fox Hollow as he had been before. For over a decade now, Lynloff had been investigating his own string of homicides just across the state line. Since 1980, young boys and grown men were disappearing only to turn up dead, all strangled, all from the gay scene in Indianapolis. Overall, 12 victims would turn up with half of them being found in Ohio. The first being Eric Allen Rodger on May 9th, 1985. After that was Michael Allen Glenn in August 1986. Then John Paul Talbot in May 1989. Just around three months later in August, Steven Elliot was found dead and strangled. Then the last two turned up just a year later in the same month. Clay Russell Boatman and Thomas Claver both turned up dead and strangled in August 1990. These were just the first victims in Ohio. But Lindloff, of course, was aware that just a few miles away, both men and boys were turning up dead in just the same fashion as they were on his side of the state line. The last victim to be found was Otto Gary Becker, who turned up dead in a ditch in Henry County, Indiana on October 7th, 1991. After that, the body stopped turning up. And yet, gay men from Indianapolis kept disappearing.

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By: Semmiot

Raped by: Otto Heckel

Whitney Webb Missinfo

Editor's notes: Not an example of elite dissinformation, but bad due dilligence at best and inteintional misconduct to forge a claim at ...